Shiner ID

[MuskieBait]

The mouth are too big on the two fish to be Mimic Shiner, Sand Shiner or Ghost Shiner (all three should have a subterminal mouth), which both of your fish don't have.

The snout on the second fish is very pointed, and the lower jaw is slightly longer than the upper jaw, so I'm going to rule out Emerald Shiner. In the third picture, the dorsal fin is pretty far back from the pelvic fin, so I'm going to rule out Silver Shiner. I'm pretty sure the second fish is a Rosyface Shiner instead.

The first one I actually counted at least 9 anal rays (using the 2nd picture). Which would rule out Mimic, Sand and Ghost. I can't tell if there is a 10th ray or not. I suspect is is one of Emerald Shiner or Rosyface Shiner. The head doesn't look as pointed and the lower jaw looks just a little shorter than the upper jaw, even if it is considered terminal. I would lean more toward Emerald Shiner for the first fish.